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amazingjason

15th June 2024, 22:46

Have you put too much money in a car but still not regretted it?

I have spent a lot on the mencanicals of the 1966 Olds 442. It runs great and doesn’t need anything to be able to use and enjoy it frequently. The only things that don’t work are the clock and the rear defroster. The tach works but is not accurate. It is cosmetically shabby inside and out. I suspect that I could spend $30,000 or more on body work, paint, and interior.

I already have more in the car than I could sell it for. I suspect that the more I put into it, the further upside down I will get. But I don’t regret it yet. It is the exact car I wanted and I like it more than I thought I would. It is very hard to find a 66 442 with air conditioning, a 4 speed, hardtop, and 3 carbs. I have seen 2 others online over the course of many years. I have had it for 6 years. Amazingly, my wife likes it.

I would like to add an overdrive, get redline tires, change the paint color, and switch the interior from black to white. I realize that taking it farther from original reduces its value, but I wouldn’t spend the money for new red paint and new black interior since that isn’t what I like. This is not the kind of car that you can find in good condition in your preferred colors.

I would also like to spruce up my 1987 Samurai with new paint and upholstery, as close to original as possible. I’ve had it for 8 years.

I like both of these cars and they feel like “keepers.” I like to think that i would like to add an old elan or a caterham to complete the collection but I have never driven either.

I tend to think that it is a mistake to sell a car that you want to keep and can keep.

So, have you ever put too much money into a car and not regretted it? Do you still have the car or did you sell it for a loss? Should I forget about making them “nice” and continue using them as is?

Jason

MattAlley

15th June 2024, 23:15

Have you put too much money in a car but still not regretted it?

I have spent a lot on the mencanicals of the 1966 Olds 442. It runs great and doesn’t need anything to be able to use and enjoy it frequently. The only things that don’t work are the clock and the rear defroster. The tach works but is not accurate. It is cosmetically shabby inside and out. I suspect that I could spend $30,000 or more on body work, paint, and interior.

I already have more in the car than I could sell it for. I suspect that the more I put into it, the further upside down I will get. But I don’t regret it yet. It is the exact car I wanted and I like it more than I thought I would. It is very hard to find a 66 442 with air conditioning, a 4 speed, hardtop, and 3 carbs. I have seen 2 others online over the course of many years. I have had it for 6 years. Amazingly, my wife likes it.

I would like to add an overdrive, get redline tires, change the paint color, and switch the interior from black to white. I realize that taking it farther from original reduces its value, but I wouldn’t spend the money for new red paint and new black interior since that isn’t what I like. This is not the kind of car that you can find in good condition in your preferred colors.

I would also like to spruce up my 1987 Samurai with new paint and upholstery, as close to original as possible. I’ve had it for 8 years.

I like both of these cars and they feel like “keepers.” I like to think that i would like to add an old elan or a caterham to complete the collection but I have never driven either.

I tend to think that it is a mistake to sell a car that you want to keep and can keep.

So, have you ever put too much money into a car and not regretted it? Do you still have the car or did you sell it for a loss? Should I forget about making them “nice” and continue using them as is?

Jason

I’ve put way, way, way more into my JK Wrangler than I could get out of it. The Jeep cost $24,480 10 years ago last month, and if I hadn’t done anything to it I could probably get within striking distance of that now. (KBB shows private party sale at $18,500 with my condition and factory options, and they’re typically low on the “what’s my car worth” side of things, I suspect because they are somewhat collusive with dealers, who want your trade-in and private party sales figures to be as low as the data could possibly be interpreted to be.) So figure $19,500. Not bad for a decade of use.

Alas, the “if I hadn’t done anything to it” bit didn’t pan out for me. I would estimate I have another $20,000-22,000 in mods for offroading prowess. So I bought it right (MSRP was 28,480 and I got them to go 4K off that), but I immediately started spending that money. :D

I’ve already sold it once and bought it back from the guy I sold to. I was toying with getting an old Defender (80s probably) and seeing if I liked it or the Jeep more and then selling the other one. It’s still tempting, but I suspect I’m stuck with the Jeep pretty much forever at this point. It’s become a part of me.

Why no picture of the 442???

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/z289/NoGaBiker/Wrangler%20Willys%20Wheeler/.highres/1906%20Jeep%20Tires%20Kenda%205.jpg

amazingjason

15th June 2024, 23:31

Why no picture of the 442???

https://youtu.be/6fAJKKutl-8?si=2r18Y7trlRNHRczY

Jason

amazingjason

15th June 2024, 23:36

I’ve put way, way, way more into my JK Wrangler than I could get out of it. The Jeep cost $24,480 10 years ago last month, and if I hadn’t done anything to it I could probably get within striking distance of that now. (KBB shows private party sale at $18,500 with my condition and factory options, and they’re typically low on the “what’s my car worth” side of things, I suspect because they are somewhat collusive with dealers, who want your trade-in and private party sales figures to be as low as the data could possibly be interpreted to be.) So figure $19,500. Not bad for a decade of use.

Alas, the “if I hadn’t done anything to it” bit didn’t pan out for me. I would estimate I have another $20,000-22,000 in mods for offroading prowess. So I bought it right (MSRP was 28,480 and I got them to go 4K off that), but I immediately started spending that money. :D

I’ve already sold it once and bought it back from the guy I sold to. I was toying with getting an old Defender (80s probably) and seeing if I liked it or the Jeep more and then selling the other one. It’s still tempting, but I suspect I’m stuck with the Jeep pretty much forever at this point. It’s become a part of me.

Why no picture of the 442???

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/z289/NoGaBiker/Wrangler%20Willys%20Wheeler/.highres/1906%20Jeep%20Tires%20Kenda%205.jpg

That is a great looking Jeep and it looks like you have it just the way you want it. Would you repeat the process if you were starting over or would you make different choices knowing what you know now?

Jason

amazingjason

15th June 2024, 23:51

I would like to get it painted like this, blue with white painted roof and white (parchment) interior. I looked at and test drove one like this, with blue interior, in the 90s and that is what I like.

Jason

look 171

16th June 2024, 01:14

Porsche hp isn't exactly cheap but I spent stupid money on them and I am not sure if I am able to enjoy all of it value. The engine built on the 930 was about 50k back 20 years ago. It wasn't need it, but I wanted it. The way I see it, its an expensive toy and we are always chasing that perfection weather mechanical, interior, or paint color. WE all know it, when we go to sell them, that money is worth pennies on the dollar to the new buyer because he will want to fix it his way.

The Driver

16th June 2024, 01:49

My NA8 has ND money in it... How some of y'all are able to live NA free lives is beyond me. If I could afford a Ferrari (no chance of that happening anytime soon) I'd still keep my NA around. When I was growing up, my parents never got me a Go-Kart, no matter how much I begged for one. and it was something they could've easily afford. Driving the NA is just like a driving the best Go-Kart the Sears catalog had, so is my way to stick to my folks (my mom knows this) and the govt (it has a license plate!).

Sorry NB/NC/ND folks, those are too smooth and too modern to feel like a cheap Go-Kart! ;}

MattAlley

16th June 2024, 06:09

I would like to get it painted like this, blue with white painted roof and white (parchment) interior. I looked at and test drove one like this, with blue interior, in the 90s and that is what I like.

Jason

My 68 DeVille (owned 2007-2018) was Normandy Blue, white top, and blue leather, much like that model kit.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/z289/NoGaBiker/1968%20Cadillac%20DeVille%20Convertible/.highres/1708%20Cadillac%20Sale%2037.jpg

MattAlley

16th June 2024, 06:12

https://youtu.be/6fAJKKutl-8?si=2r18Y7trlRNHRczY

Jason

That’s great looking. By the time I came along 442s were more swoopy, and I don’t remember ever seeing the more squared off mid-60s Olds in a 442 version. I see why you love it.

MattAlley

16th June 2024, 06:45

That is a great looking Jeep and it looks like you have it just the way you want it. Would you repeat the process if you were starting over or would you make different choices knowing what you know now?

Jason

Thanks!

This is a long and nuanced answer, but you asked… :)

First of all, I’d spend less and “get it right the first time,” rather than feeling my way along and then changing out things I already upgraded. For instance: I should have bought a Rubicon and begun my build from there. But I didn’t know that because my off-roading experience in my two XJ Cherokees prior to the Wrangler was confined to local muddy areas, basically, where the Rubicon’s short differential gearing (4.10s) and short transfer case Lo (4.0: 1) were unneeded and even something of a hindrance; I couldn’t see how you’d possibly be able to shift into Lo and ever use it in a Rubicon, whereas the other Jeeps all have a 2.72:1 t-case. But then I went to a specific set of trails in the mountains with my friend who has a TJ Rubicon. He locked and went into low and just walked slowly up a series of waterfall ledges that I had to winch 4 times to get over. So I realized, slow and locked is the secret. And I shopped for a used Rubicon transfer case and installed that.

I also wanted to go to larger tires, which calls for regearing. Most Jeeps are 3.21 diffs; my Willys Edition had 3.73, and Rubicons were 4.10s. Since I was adding lockers and was in there anyway, I switched to 4.56 diffs. And since the non-Rubi Jeeps utilize a Dana 44 rear end (like Rubicon) but only a D30 front (Rubis get a D44 up there too), there are things you can do to beef up the housing of the D30 (trusses, gussets, etc.) I had those welded on by the shop I used to regear and install the lockers. Then I bumped my tires from 32 to 34”. All was well. Went to Moab for 3 weeks and had a blast.

First Moab trip with 34” BFG KM2s:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/z289/NoGaBiker/Moab%202016/.highres/DSCF0514.jpg

Ahhhh, but if 34s are fun, what would 37s be like??? I wanted relatively skinny 37s, not the 13.5” wide tires you normally see. Interco made an old-style bias ply in size Q78-16, which translates to a 37x11. Perfect. Bi-plies can be aired down farther than radials without coming off the rim. So I bought a set of 16”wheels, took a grinder to a couple places on the back of the front calipers that just kissed the inside of the barrels, mounted the 37s and I was in business. Except… that relatively weak Dana 30 up there kept bothering me. The internet was full of tales of pretzeled front axles from using big tires in the rocks. So I sold the built D30 on Wrangler Forum, shipped it off to Florida, and installed a whole new axle, a Dana 44 from G2. While at it, I beefed up the rear halfshafts with G2 Chromoly units. Now I was set. Went to Moab for 2 weeks that year and the next several years and the thing was a beast. In the first picture several posts above it is on my current street tires (35x10.5) but here it is on the big off-road tires that I trailered out to Moab:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/z289/NoGaBiker/Moab%202017/.highres/DSCF0986.jpg

So if I’d started with a stripped Rubicon, like my stripped Willys, it was exactly $5000 more. I would have only needed to regear the 4.10s, to be where I am now. The transfer case, trussed/gusseted locked and regeared D30, and then the complete D44 axle and new half-shafts in back were a lot more than 5k. And yet if reselling it, even though it’s more capable than a Rubicon, it would trade at “Sport” prices rather than “Rubicon” prices.

Part two of the answer, for anyone still awake: I am in a conundrum, or a quandary or perhaps a Gordian knot or something. Driving such a Jeep as this, pulling a small trailer with tools, jack and four 100# wheels/tires, 1800 miles to Moab and back is brutal business. After 5 years I decided to sell and buy the 2022 Defender, which is made for such a drive (I made it from Atlanta to Albuquerque on Day 1 this year, shaving a full day off the trip in the Jeep), and is also very capable in all but the big rocks, owing to the 32” tires that are all she will carry without cutting some things. Great plan. Except I missed my Jeep for puttering around town with the windows out and the half-doors installed. So I bought it back from my friend, because I knew that if I bought a stock Jeep I would be in danger of repeating this process. :D Only now, I really don’t want to spend 5 days in a built Wrangler getting to Moab and back because I’ve gotten spoiled (and, the Atlanta-to-New Mexico bit of the drive is pretty darn boring, whether you’re on rural highways or the superslab).

But this Jeep, confined to the mean streets of Atlanta or the comparatively mild off-roading parks in the Southeast, is total overkill. It’s like owning a Carrera GT and using it for running to the grocery store and never taking it to the track. It needs to be out west. But it doesn’t live out there. I’ve shipped it once, but getting it from ATL to Moab is really tough, and I don’t know anyone in SLC who would hold it for me for the week or so it would need to be out there before I flew out (to make sure it was there when I got there — car shipping is a non-exact science, I’ve found). I do have such a person in Moab, but it’s super hard to find a trucker who will go the last 4 hours from SLC to Moab to drop it.

My friend in Moab who owns Twisted Jeeps has offered to permanently store the Jeep for me for free, an amazing offer. But then… I wouldn’t have my Jeep for fun around town, which is why I bought it back in the first place. Which means I’d be back shopping for a Jeep or an old Defender 90. And then starting the ridiculous build process all over again, so I could take it to Utah and see what it could do. :dunno:

Capn Crass

16th June 2024, 06:47

I'm unhappy with the amount the paint on my NA cost (and with the quality of the work), and if I had a wayback machine I would just paint the damn thing myself and fix both issues. That's a bit different than "I regret spending the money", but in the same ballpark.

Other than that? No. All of the upgrading I've done has been replacing stuff that needed replacing anyways, so it hasn't really been more expensive than regular maintenance. Ask me again when I start working on my Land Cruiser and that may change.

MattAlley

16th June 2024, 08:23

I'm unhappy with the amount the paint on my NA cost (and with the quality of the work), and if I had a wayback machine I would just paint the damn thing myself and fix both issues. That's a bit different than "I regret spending the money", but in the same ballpark.

Other than that? No. All of the upgrading I've done has been replacing stuff that needed replacing anyways, so it hasn't really been more expensive than regular maintenance. Ask me again when I start working on my Land Cruiser and that may change.

When does the FJ build start?

MX5Jeff

16th June 2024, 09:29

Thanks!

This is a long and nuanced answer, but you asked… :)

First of all, I’d spend less and “get it right the first time,” rather than feeling my way along and then changing out things I already upgraded. For instance: I should have bought a Rubicon and begun my build from there. But I didn’t know that because my off-roading experience in my two XJ Cherokees prior to the Wrangler was confined to local muddy areas, basically, where the Rubicon’s short differential gearing (4.10s) and short transfer case Lo (4.0: 1) were unneeded and even something of a hindrance; I couldn’t see how you’d possibly be able to shift into Lo and ever use it in a Rubicon, whereas the other Jeeps all have a 2.72:1 t-case. But then I went to a specific set of trails in the mountains with my friend who has a TJ Rubicon. He locked and went into low and just walked slowly up a series of waterfall ledges that I had to winch 4 times to get over. So I realized, slow and locked is the secret. And I shopped for a used Rubicon transfer case and installed that.

I also wanted to go to larger tires, which calls for regearing. Most Jeeps are 3.21 diffs; my Willys Edition had 3.73, and Rubicons were 4.10s. Since I was adding lockers and was in there anyway, I switched to 4.56 diffs. And since the non-Rubi Jeeps utilize a Dana 44 rear end (like Rubicon) but only a D30 front (Rubis get a D44 up there too), there are things you can do to beef up the housing of the D30 (trusses, gussets, etc.) I had those welded on by the shop I used to regear and install the lockers. Then I bumped my tires from 32 to 34”. All was well. Went to Moab for 3 weeks and had a blast.

First Moab trip with 34” BFG KM2s:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/z289/NoGaBiker/Moab%202016/.highres/DSCF0514.jpg

Ahhhh, but if 34s are fun, what would 37s be like??? I wanted relatively skinny 37s, not the 13.5” wide tires you normally see. Interco made an old-style bias ply in size Q78-16, which translates to a 37x11. Perfect. Bi-plies can be aired down farther than radials without coming off the rim. So I bought a set of 16”wheels, took a grinder to a couple places on the back of the front calipers that just kissed the inside of the barrels, mounted the 37s and I was in business. Except… that relatively weak Dana 30 up there kept bothering me. The internet was full of tales of pretzeled front axles from using big tires in the rocks. So I sold the built D30 on Wrangler Forum, shipped it off to Florida, and installed a whole new axle, a Dana 44 from G2. While at it, I beefed up the rear halfshafts with G2 Chromoly units. Now I was set. Went to Moab for 2 weeks that year and the next several years and the thing was a beast. In the first picture several posts above it is on my current street tires (35x10.5) but here it is on the big off-road tires that I trailered out to Moab:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/z289/NoGaBiker/Moab%202017/.highres/DSCF0986.jpg

So if I’d started with a stripped Rubicon, like my stripped Willys, it was exactly $5000 more. I would have only needed to regear the 4.10s, to be where I am now. The transfer case, trussed/gusseted locked and regeared D30, and then the complete D44 axle and new half-shafts in back were a lot more than 5k. And yet if reselling it, even though it’s more capable than a Rubicon, it would trade at “Sport” prices rather than “Rubicon” prices.

Part two of the answer, for anyone still awake: I am in a conundrum, or a quandary or perhaps a Gordian knot or something. Driving such a Jeep as this, pulling a small trailer with tools, jack and four 100# wheels/tires, 1800 miles to Moab and back is brutal business. After 5 years I decided to sell and buy the 2022 Defender, which is made for such a drive (I made it from Atlanta to Albuquerque on Day 1 this year, shaving a full day off the trip in the Jeep), and is also very capable in all but the big rocks, owing to the 32” tires that are all she will carry without cutting some things. Great plan. Except I missed my Jeep for puttering around town with the windows out and the half-doors installed. So I bought it back from my friend, because I knew that if I bought a stock Jeep I would be in danger of repeating this process. :D Only now, I really don’t want to spend 5 days in a built Wrangler getting to Moab and back because I’ve gotten spoiled (and, the Atlanta-to-New Mexico bit of the drive is pretty darn boring, whether you’re on rural highways or the superslab).

But this Jeep, confined to the mean streets of Atlanta or the comparatively mild off-roading parks in the Southeast, is total overkill. It’s like owning a Carrera GT and using it for running to the grocery store and never taking it to the track. It needs to be out west. But it doesn’t live out there. I’ve shipped it once, but getting it from ATL to Moab is really tough, and I don’t know anyone in SLC who would hold it for me for the week or so it would need to be out there before I flew out (to make sure it was there when I got there — car shipping is a non-exact science, I’ve found). I do have such a person in Moab, but it’s super hard to find a trucker who will go the last 4 hours from SLC to Moab to drop it.

My friend in Moab who owns Twisted Jeeps has offered to permanently store the Jeep for me for free, an amazing offer. But then… I wouldn’t have my Jeep for fun around town, which is why I bought it back in the first place. Which means I’d be back shopping for a Jeep or an old Defender 90. And then starting the ridiculous build process all over again, so I could take it to Utah and see what it could do. :dunno:

Why don’t you trailer the Jeep with the Defender?

MX5Jeff

16th June 2024, 09:40

I’ve kept almost all my vehicles stock. I did kind of regret (not really) spending what I spent on the first car I bought with my own money.

I had just finished medical school in 1986 and was moving to Minnesota for a residency. I decided my RWD 9-year-old Celica wasn’t a good fit for the upper Midwest, but I had heard about these Swedish cars called Saabs that were cool and funky. I figured if they could handle the winters in Norrland, surely they could handle southern MN.

Surprisingly there was a Saab dealer in Chattanooga. My dad and I went over there, and after a little back and forth, which resulted in me getting the worse part of the deal, I had a new car. I recall the MSRP was $16K, a heckuva lot for a car in 1986, even a Swedish one with a great Blaupunkt stereo. I recall payments of $400 a month for a few years, which was as much as my rent. Got kind of tight on my resident’s salary of $22.5K a year, but I survived. (I forgot to factor in MN’s very high state income taxes when I was doing the back-of-the-envelope calculations on whether I could afford it.)

I did love that car though. It never let me down, though the performance in the mountains of CO was less than ideal due to it being carbureted. In 1989 I sold it for a decent sum to get the first minivan for our growing family. The loss of that car still brings tears to my eyes.

Yes, that was my Saab story. For real.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/1993_Saab_900_SE_Turbo_2.0_Front.jpg

(Not my car, but similar.)

Why don’t you trailer the Jeep with the Defender?

Actually went a little way down that road. Jeep plus gear plus my desire to stay well below the 7800# tow limit demand a lightweight trailer. Pricey, and I don’t have anywhere to store it in Atlanta so I’d need to rent a storage spot somewhere out of town, or leave it at our Highlands NC place and go get it preparatory to a trip. And a big part of the equation, outside of the cost and hassle of owning the trailer, is this: would dragging 7000# of crap behind the Defender make that a fairly bad driving experience also, albeit in a different way than driving the Jeep out there? Ultimately I axed that plan.

Probably the best plan is to find someone to receive the Jeep if I ship it, and hold it till I land in SLC or ABQ (about the same distance from Moab), and again on the back side of the trip. That’s not cheap either (I paid $2000 RT last time in 2018), but it does solve a lot of the hassle issue.

MattAlley

16th June 2024, 09:47

…though the performance in the mountains of CO was less than ideal due to it being carbureted.

Really? I’m shocked a 1986 SAAB was carb’d. Surely the 900 Turbo wasn’t? Even my 87 Pontiac Bonneville (and all the 3.8 motored GMs) as well as my 87 Century 2.8 were injected. Are you sure about that? Those NA SAABs were slow as Christmas; maybe you were just blaming it on the mountain air. :p

jmsj578

16th June 2024, 09:55

Unless one is building a car to sell and make a profit on it, there should be little regret for pouring money into a hobby, as long as it doesn't interfere with other things. I never buy a car with resale value in mine. We've owned our NA and Roush for 16+ years; and, they are still holding their value. I'd not regret selling either.

I imagine the young man who built our NA regretted having to sell it; but, it's been well cared for, since we've owned it.

CAD_Jockey

16th June 2024, 11:32

I've never customized a car or truck and expected to get my money back out if it. I do/did it for me, and have a ton of great memories of the good times we had.

Guys I know that built cars/trucks to compete for the Riddler Award did it for the same reason, and never got their money back either. It's like racing, if you want to make a small fortune, start off with a large one.

Capn Crass

16th June 2024, 11:50

When does the FJ build start?

Both "eventually" and "2004ish" are not entirely untruthful answers. I've started and stopped disassembly several times, but have so far been unable to swing getting a new tub (which is the one thing it absoutely needs). Hoping things will align to get the parts next fall, but we'll see. Also have a house that's bogarting my meager budget freeboard.

If I'd opted to paint my Miata myself I'd likely have the new tub and an OME suspension kit in my garage right now.

jamesqf

16th June 2024, 13:03

My NA8 has ND money in it... How some of y'all are able to live NA free lives is beyond me.

Because we have NBs, of course.

Sorry NB/NC/ND folks, those are too smooth and too modern to feel like a cheap Go-Kart! ;}

So they feel like expensive go-karts :-)

The Driver

16th June 2024, 13:26

Because we have NBs, of course.

So they feel like expensive go-karts :-)

While looking like a Ford Taurus and missing the Alfa Romeo inspired door handles...

BTW, wanna know why I have ND money in my NA? NB2 block, NB1 head, NB2 5 speed, NB2 front subframe/power steering, and the list goes on, all that and FLIPPY headlights! :thumbs:

BARMY

16th June 2024, 15:05

Yes

Analogeezer

16th June 2024, 16:36

Really? I’m shocked a 1986 SAAB was carb’d. Surely the 900 Turbo wasn’t? Even my 87 Pontiac Bonneville (and all the 3.8 motored GMs) as well as my 87 Century 2.8 were injected. Are you sure about that? Those NA SAABs were slow as Christmas; maybe you were just blaming it on the mountain air. :p

Yeah I had to look that up, according to Wiki in 1986 there was a base 900 with a single carb and the 900i with fuel injection.

The 900i used K-Jet CIS like the old Porsches did.

I am assuming the turbo versions used FI since the model below it (900i) did.

The base single car version only had 100 HP (from 2.1 liters) and 146 torks, so yeah they were probably very slow.

Analogeezer

p.s. Interesting trivia; the original 99 and early 900's used something called the "B engine". This was actually a version of the Triumph slant four cylinder. At first Triumph actually supplied the engines.

Triumph supplied the engines for the 99 (50,000 of them) for a while but Saab brought production in house in 1972. Saab redesigned it some and called it the "H engine"

Starting in 2003 Saab started using a GM Ecotec engine, and used that until the end of Saab.

MX5Jeff

16th June 2024, 19:39

Really? I’m shocked a 1986 SAAB was carb’d. Surely the 900 Turbo wasn’t? Even my 87 Pontiac Bonneville (and all the 3.8 motored GMs) as well as my 87 Century 2.8 were injected. Are you sure about that? Those NA SAABs were slow as Christmas; maybe you were just blaming it on the mountain air. :p

I didn’t have the Turbo. Just the base 900. I think it was still carbureted until the late 1980s. The turbo models and 16 valve S models got fuel injection earlier.

Yes it wasn’t a performance demon, but handled very well and was a much better made car than most American vehicles.

Tread99

16th June 2024, 20:32

My NA8 has ND money in it... How some of y'all are able to live NA free lives is beyond me. If I could afford a Ferrari (no chance of that happening anytime soon) I'd still keep my NA around. When I was growing up, my parents never got me a Go-Kart, no matter how much I begged for one. and it was something they could've easily afford. Driving the NA is just like a driving the best Go-Kart the Sears catalog had, so is my way to stick to my folks (my mom knows this) and the govt (it has a license plate!).
Sorry NB/NC/ND folks, those are too smooth and too modern to feel like a cheap Go-Kart! ;}

I do sometimes regret getting an NB rather than an NA like my friend’s 92 that turned me on to Miatas. It had a raw excitement to it that later Miatas can’t fully re-create, It was a tough decision because I knew what the trade-offs were. I’d love to ask the other-universe me who bought an NA what he thinks now about his decision.

MattAlley

16th June 2024, 20:51

I’d love to ask the other-universe me who bought an NA what he thinks now about his decision.

First car in my siggy: owned 121 months.

Second car in my siggy: owned 6 months. :p

Capn Crass

16th June 2024, 21:08

I’d love to ask the other-universe me who bought an NA what he thinks now about his decision.

Other-universe me probably has some good stories. Like the (non-running) '45 MB I passed on to buy my Land Cruiser. Or the (non-running) Fiat Spider that had more pine needles than metal on the floorboards. The (non-running) '72 Benz my dad wouldn't buy me…

OK, so maybe Oscar the Grouch (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rxgWHzMvXOY&pp=ygUdaSBsb3ZlIHRyYXNoIG9zY2FyIHRoZSBncm91Y2g%3D) is my spirit Muppet.

The Driver

17th June 2024, 01:04

I do sometimes regret getting an NB rather than an NA like my friend’s 92 that turned me on to Miatas. It had a raw excitement to it that later Miatas can’t fully re-create, It was a tough decision because I knew what the trade-offs were. I’d love to ask the other-universe me who bought an NA what he thinks now about his decision.

You got my point. It isn't that I don't like the newer cars, I've driven every Miata/MX-5 generation in every configuration. From K20/K24 to LS6 V8's and everything in between.

Yet a normally aspirated NA8 with all enhancements (Header, cutback, REAL CAI, light flywheel, or BBK, 15X7 or 15x8 wheels) is the one that just does it for me!

JT58

17th June 2024, 06:48

I have about 35- 40K in my 1987 Chevy Squarebody short bed 4 X 4 truck. That includes initial cost of the truck, parts and labor from outside shops. If I include my labor for what I have done on the truck, wow does that go up a lot. I do not regret putting that much in the truck although the value is only about 20- 25K. If I had to do it again though I probably would have been better off getting one fully "done" or in better shape initially , spending even 40K. I still have some of body work to do, 5- 10K and if I include a paint job, add another 10K at least. I won't do that as I would be at 50-60K investment for maybe a 30K truck.

MattAlley

17th June 2024, 07:18

I have about 35- 40K in my 1987 Chevy Squarebody short bed 4 X 4 truck. That includes initial cost of the truck, parts and labor from outside shops. If I include my labor for what I have done on the truck, wow does that go up a lot. I do not regret putting that much in the truck although the value is only about 20- 25K. If I had to do it again though I probably would have been better off getting one fully "done" or in better shape initially , spending even 40K. I still have some of body work to do, 5- 10K and if I include a paint job, add another 10K at least. I won't do that as I would be at 50-60K investment for maybe a 30K truck.

I’m down at a little island off the coast of Georgia (actually, it’s not that little — same size as Manhattan, but not quite as many people) and yesterday at the corner of the parking lot in front of the hardware store where people park their For Sale vehicles and there’s always something interesting, there was a 1976 Creamsickle GMC long bed regular cab 305 4x4 Sierra Classic with 47,000 original miles, iirc, owned by a truck collector in the area who is downsizing. But it is one-owner, for 48 years! The paint was very shiny. Clearly this had not been used as a work truck. The $18,700 price seems like the way to buy something like that. Probably needs $5k worth of small stuff (I noticed the front fender emblem is missing, so there are probably a few other things that just never got tended to).

This isn’t the actual truck — that one was in much, much better condition. Don’t remember why I didn’t snap a pic other than in a hurry to get in the hardware store.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_2103.jpeg

The paint was actually much more orange and not rust color, like this 72 Shivverlay C10:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_2104.webp

Keith Green

17th June 2024, 08:20

In 2012 the 1998 Honda CRV which we really liked was getting long in the tooth (ended up giving it to my youngest son), so we went shopping for a new "Nancy's Car." Since we liked the CRV a lot I assumed she'd want another one, but they changed the way the rear hatch opened on the new models and she didn't like the new CRV at all. We spent about three months looking at all kinds of vehicles, but nothing caught Nancy's fancy. We had owned an '83 Volvo DL Wagon which we liked, and when we went to the Volvo dealer she fell in love with a C70 (hardtop convertible). It was something like $40,000, which was a lot of money back then but we decided to get it. She loved the car and drove the pants off of it. Then two (three?) years ago it got totaled in an accident. We again went shopping for a replacement. Nancy didn't want anything other than a convertible and again we looked at everything and nothing appealed to her. Volvo quit making the C70 in 2013 so eventually we found a used 2013 with very low miles and Nancy had HER car back again. She still loves it. (And I have to say I love it as well--we are Volvo people).

Bill_Rockoff

17th June 2024, 08:45

My NA8 has ND money in it... How some of y'all are able to live NA free lives is beyond me. In 2002, I spent more money helping a friend restore my '91 than I spent BUYING it new from the dealer in '91. Our labor was free, the paint job was free (after this friend bought a $2,000 Dodge D350 from the paint guy; he gave us paint and helped us spray it in his home paint booth) and I used a lot of parts from a friend's rear-ended '93, which I bought for $1,000 and sold for $500 after I had taken it down to "it's ready for a cage now."

To quote "Lonesome Dove," it was money well-spent, both times. It's still my favorite car ever, in a lot of ways.

Is the E46 calm and sublime with the top down and Dinah Washington playing on the radio? You betcha, and I occasionally wonder "suppose I had just bought one of these new in 2002 instead of rebuilding the Miata?" Does the 330e make an effortless highway cruise out of a 300- or 600-mile drive to the beach? I can't believe I went this long without something like this (the Maxima was close, back when it was new and in good shape.) Is my wife's Merlot still pretty fun? Eh, it needs a few things, and she is not willing to commit the money to those few things, but it's still pretty great.

But the '91 makes me want to build another one very much like it, with better suspension and maybe a different color and maybe better a/c and a better stereo, but with the unassisted steering it came with and the fat-rimmed Momo steering wheel and the leather seats I added, and with Panasports, or something that looks like Panasports.

I haven't owned something ready to go to the track, or something that makes me want to go run a twisty stretch of road a second time just to work the car hard, in a while.

And remembering now what that was like after it was rebuilt, I realize "nah, there's no way I would have just bought a 330Ci new instead."

Bob_MX5

17th June 2024, 10:19

I spent too much money on my 2001 TT. It was a rolling catalogue of spending mod dollars. But, after demodding where it made sense before selling, and waiting years to find buyers for some of the mods, I pretty much broke even. With the current TT, I have a long way to go before even approaching "too much". I think I've spent about $10. :D.

I've probably spent too much money on my current SBY. Only time will tell whether it is too much or too early. But, sometimes ya just gotta open that wallet cuz it is the right thing to do.

Otherwise, "too much" hasn't happened. Regardless, no regrets

b.

Lance Schall

17th June 2024, 11:23

Too much for a Miata? If the bank has taken your house, your wife has left you, and kids have no food or shoes you might want to ease up a little.

Miata Resto

17th June 2024, 12:55

Thanks!

This is a long and nuanced answer, but you asked… :)

Part two of the answer, for anyone still awake: I am in a conundrum, or a quandary or perhaps a Gordian knot or something. Driving such a Jeep as this, pulling a small trailer with tools, jack and four 100# wheels/tires, 1800 miles to Moab and back is brutal business. After 5 years I decided to sell and buy the 2022 Defender, which is made for such a drive (I made it from Atlanta to Albuquerque on Day 1 this year, shaving a full day off the trip in the Jeep), and is also very capable in all but the big rocks, owing to the 32” tires that are all she will carry without cutting some things. Great plan. Except I missed my Jeep for puttering around town with the windows out and the half-doors installed. So I bought it back from my friend, because I knew that if I bought a stock Jeep I would be in danger of repeating this process. :D Only now, I really don’t want to spend 5 days in a built Wrangler getting to Moab and back because I’ve gotten spoiled (and, the Atlanta-to-New Mexico bit of the drive is pretty darn boring, whether you’re on rural highways or the superslab).

But this Jeep, confined to the mean streets of Atlanta or the comparatively mild off-roading parks in the Southeast, is total overkill. It’s like owning a Carrera GT and using it for running to the grocery store and never taking it to the track. It needs to be out west. But it doesn’t live out there. I’ve shipped it once, but getting it from ATL to Moab is really tough, and I don’t know anyone in SLC who would hold it for me for the week or so it would need to be out there before I flew out (to make sure it was there when I got there — car shipping is a non-exact science, I’ve found). I do have such a person in Moab, but it’s super hard to find a trucker who will go the last 4 hours from SLC to Moab to drop it.

My friend in Moab who owns Twisted Jeeps has offered to permanently store the Jeep for me for free, an amazing offer. But then… I wouldn’t have my Jeep for fun around town, which is why I bought it back in the first place. Which means I’d be back shopping for a Jeep or an old Defender 90. And then starting the ridiculous build process all over again, so I could take it to Utah and see what it could do. :dunno:

The obvious answer is that you need TWO of those Jeeps. One local and one in Moab. Enjoy your shopping :)

jamesqf

17th June 2024, 13:07

BTW, wanna know why I have ND money in my NA? NB2 block, NB1 head, NB2 5 speed, NB2 front subframe/power steering, and the list goes on, all that and FLIPPY headlights! :thumbs:

Oh, well. Different strokes, I guess. If I had bought an NA (and it was really just a matter of what showed up first on the local Craigslist in decent shape and acceptable color), I'd have been real tempted to install one of those aftermarket kits that replace the flippy headlights.

Chris Stack

17th June 2024, 13:17

“If I had back all the money I spent on cars, I’d spend it on cars.” -Nick Mason

JT58

17th June 2024, 13:22

I’m down at a little island off the coast of Georgia (actually, it’s not that little — same size as Manhattan, but not quite as many people) and yesterday at the corner of the parking lot in front of the hardware store where people park their For Sale vehicles and there’s always something interesting, there was a 1976 Creamsickle GMC long bed regular cab 305 4x4 Sierra Classic with 47,000 original miles, iirc, owned by a truck collector in the area who is downsizing. But it is one-owner, for 48 years! The paint was very shiny. Clearly this had not been used as a work truck. The $18,700 price seems like the way to buy something like that. Probably needs $5k worth of small stuff (I noticed the front fender emblem is missing, so there are probably a few other things that just never got tended to).

This isn’t the actual truck — that one was in much, much better condition. Don’t remember why I didn’t snap a pic other than in a hurry to get in the hardware store.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_2103.jpeg

The paint was actually much more orange and not rust color, like this 72 Shivverlay C10:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_2104.webp

You have to really check a truck like this out. What may look good on the outside and inside may need more work than you realize. The photos of the truck I bought looked so great- interior, exterior and even the driving video. I drove 80 miles to take a look at it. I saw a few things it needed but once I saw it I had to have it. It was not until I got it home I knew I had a lot of work to do. But to my credit, the truck has an excellent frame, pretty good body. Crate replacement engine that ran great. But with lot of work and investment it's finally getting there. It gets a lot of looks, compliments and conversation at the local car shows. That's the best part of it! :)

The Driver

17th June 2024, 13:51

In 2002, I spent more money helping a friend restore my '91 than I spent BUYING it new from the dealer in '91. Our labor was free, the paint job was free (after this friend bought a $2,000 Dodge D350 from the paint guy; he gave us paint and helped us spray it in his home paint booth) and I used a lot of parts from a friend's rear-ended '93, which I bought for $1,000 and sold for $500 after I had taken it down to "it's ready for a cage now."

To quote "Lonesome Dove," it was money well-spent, both times. It's still my favorite car ever, in a lot of ways.

But the '91 makes me want to build another one very much like it, with better suspension and maybe a different color and maybe better a/c and a better stereo, but with the unassisted steering it came with and the fat-rimmed Momo steering wheel and the leather seats I added, and with Panasports, or something that looks like Panasports.

I haven't owned something ready to go to the track, or something that makes me want to go run a twisty stretch of road a second time just to work the car hard, in a while.
"
I still love my NA8, but the Fat Cat Motorsports Coilovers I bought back in 2012, though still working, are long on the tooth. I need to replace the now 28 year old suspension bushings and when I do, a set of SuperMiata Tecna Sports coilovers are going in.
Too much for a Miata? If the bank has taken your house, your wife has left you, and kids have no food or shoes you might want to ease up a little.

The problem is I've also spent as much money in the 2002 4X4 V6 Tacoma that I have only owned since 2011... And I need new skiis and poles, and the climbing gear is now too old to use... :cry:

MattAlley

17th June 2024, 15:07

And I need new skiis and poles, and the climbing gear is now too old to use... :cry:

Ahhh, it’s changed over to Rapid Descent gear! :thumbs:

MattAlley

17th June 2024, 15:53

The obvious answer is that you need TWO of those Jeeps. One local and one in Moab. Enjoy your shopping :)

LOL, you’re like a clairvoyant/sage/seer/fortune-teller all rolled into one! :D

I’m wildly tempted by a friend-of-a-friend’s 1988 ex-RAF Defender 110 2-door troop carrier that’s built within an inch of its life, riding on 37s. The guy owns a vintage Defender parts house and built this thing right. It’s RHD, which would get a little old around ATL, but if it was only used in Moab, where there aren’t really any drive thrus…

When I say it’s built right, here’s just one element:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_7618.jpeg

And yet, still has loads of patina:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_7615.jpeg

Analogeezer

17th June 2024, 16:08

LOL, you’re like a clairvoyant/sage/seer/fortune-teller all rolled into one! :D

I’m wildly tempted by a friend-of-a-friend’s 1988 ex-RAF Defender 110 2-door troop carrier that’s built within an inch of its life, riding on 37s. The guy owns a vintage Defender parts house and built this thing right. It’s RHD, which would get a little old around ATL, but if it was only used in Moab, where there aren’t really any drive thrus…

When I say it’s built right, here’s just one element:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_7618.jpeg

And yet, still has loads of patina:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_7615.jpeg

Yes but does it have Apple Carplay? ;)

Analogeezer

MattAlley

17th June 2024, 16:24

Yes but does it have Apple Carplay? ;)

Analogeezer

No, that’s what sucks about it; back then LRs only had Android Auto. :(

amazingjason

17th June 2024, 17:35

The obvious answer is that you need TWO of those Jeeps. One local and one in Moab. Enjoy your shopping :)

You can also rent a Jeep in Moab…

Jason

MattAlley

17th June 2024, 17:38

You can also rent a Jeep in Moab…

Jason

Sure, but at $300 a day I’d soon go bankrupt. It’s soooooooo much cheaper to buy and build your own. :rofl:

amazingjason

17th June 2024, 18:27

I do appreciate that there are a lot of people (men) willing to spend too much on their cars. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be any cool old cars to see around town or at car shows and there wouldn’t be as good a selection of nice used and classic cars to buy.

Jason

MX5/XJ6

17th June 2024, 19:34

have you ever put too much money into a car and not regretted it? Do you still have the car or did you sell it for a loss? Should I forget about making them “nice” and continue using them as is?

You should use them/do to them whatever makes you happiest. Some people love the car/truck they've had for decades, despite whatever level of 'patina' it has, while others have a need to strive for perfection. To some extent, for me it depends on the vehicle. I have thought about for example restoring our vintage farm truck (old Chevy Cheyenne), with shiny new red paint replacing the scuffed and scratched original red paint, but I always come back to how spending thousands of dollars on it wouldn't add to its functionality in any way, in fact it would reduce it because I would worry about a scratch - something I absolutely don't worry about currently. Honestly if it was a shortbed I'd probably do it.

There have been other vehicles I have spent too much on keeping or making them perfect, and I'm sure I didn't see a return on those investments. But it did make me enjoy the vehicles more, so there's some value in that.

Plus 2

17th June 2024, 21:22

An old Lotus feels a lot more like a go kart than an NA. An old Lotus is also a bigger money pit. Not Porsche level though

amazingjason

17th June 2024, 21:23

Honestly if it was a shortbed I'd probably do it.

This is a good point. It is important to start with the right car. Most old cars are just old cars and few are classics. It costs as much to fix up an old car as it costs to fix up a special classic car.

Jason

look 171

17th June 2024, 22:58

You have to really check a truck like this out. What may look good on the outside and inside may need more work than you realize. The photos of the truck I bought looked so great- interior, exterior and even the driving video. I drove 80 miles to take a look at it. I saw a few things it needed but once I saw it I had to have it. It was not until I got it home I knew I had a lot of work to do. But to my credit, the truck has an excellent frame, pretty good body. Crate replacement engine that ran great. But with lot of work and investment it's finally getting there. It gets a lot of looks, compliments and conversation at the local car shows. That's the best part of it! :)

I rode in the back of one of that sq body to many bike races when I was between 16-19. My friend would take his dad's truck, a blue one like that pic, that he had sitting around with window that didn't work, torn seats, holes in the dash instead of a real radio. Oh yeah, that old 350 works like it should, slow but got us there.

I restored my old 72 GMC one ton last year of college I bought from my next door neighbor for 500 big bucks. It was finally painted original yellowish green with a white roof. Milled a new wooden bed in my shop with all stainless fasteners. That truck was something special, a Longhorn with a 8'-10" bed. Sort after by many but I had no idea back then. It was just an old truck I really liked and needed. No one was restoring them, no one wanted them. A 4 barrel carb, intake, headers and exhaust was installed. With those bolt-ons, the truck was transformed into a monster that only got 8 mpg on a good day. If my lead foot got heavy, it got 5-6 gpm.

BetweenMiatas

17th June 2024, 23:27

LOL, you’re like a clairvoyant/sage/seer/fortune-teller all rolled into one! :D

I’m wildly tempted by a friend-of-a-friend’s 1988 ex-RAF Defender 110 2-door troop carrier that’s built within an inch of its life, riding on 37s. The guy owns a vintage Defender parts house and built this thing right. It’s RHD, which would get a little old around ATL, but if it was only used in Moab, where there aren’t really any drive thrus…

When I say it’s built right, here’s just one element:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_7618.jpeg

And yet, still has loads of patina:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_7615.jpeg

Damn, that's sexy. You should get it.

The Driver

17th June 2024, 23:39

An old Lotus feels a lot more like a go kart than an NA. An old Lotus is also a bigger money pit. Not Porsche level though

I wouldn't mind having a Caterham 7 or Lo-Cost 7 but with a Suzuki 1300 'Busa engine. But good luck finding one of those at a price I can afford! I'd still keep the NA, of course.

MattAlley

17th June 2024, 23:47

Damn, that's sexy. You should get it.

A little bit closer picture inside his shop;

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_5318.jpeg

I could cross “RHD” and “Diesel” off my never-owned lists.

2ndOne

18th June 2024, 06:18

^Have you already crossed off 'mulligan'?

Lance Schall

18th June 2024, 10:45

When I say it’s built right, here’s just one element:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_7618.jpeg
Seems a little rough around the edges, he left an inch and a half of loose hose clamp hanging out.

taba2

18th June 2024, 12:24

Sure, but at $300 a day I’d soon go bankrupt. It’s soooooooo much cheaper to buy and build your own. :rofl:

How long do you spend out there??

Probably the best plan is to find someone to receive the Jeep if I ship it, and hold it till I land in SLC or ABQ (about the same distance from Moab), and again on the back side of the trip. That’s not cheap either (I paid $2000 RT last time in 2018), but it does solve a lot of the hassle issue.

MattAlley

18th June 2024, 12:29

How long do you spend out there??

Usually one trip per year, 2 to 3 weeks. In 2021 I made one trip with the jeep and left it out there for about 60 days, flying out for a second trip and driving it home after that.

lion shf

19th June 2024, 09:32

Put 20k in my 17 TT, bought it for 36 with 8k miles. Swapped it with my son for his GTI so I still get to drive it lots. (Ive had it 2 weeks now while he runs around Europe with his brother)
It’s been bulletproof now at 88k miles, running 350hp/350tq or so. It’s a perfect street park philly car. We all love it and his mother has no clue about the 20k:D
zero regrets.https://i.imgur.com/vHFohGu.jpg

BetweenMiatas

19th June 2024, 13:22

I've spent too much on the CRX and the 750iL. I regret not starting with a nicer 750iL. Mine's all dinged up. On the bright side, I don't worry about parking lot dings.

And I regret putting poly bushings on the CRX, and spending a bunch of money on the A/C, only to have the refrigerant find new ways of escaping. Very creative, that refrigerant.

I spent way too much on the 914. Shoulda bought a nice one, drove it a while, and sold it for what I paid.

BetweenMiatas

19th June 2024, 13:25

A little bit closer picture inside his shop;

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/z289/NoGaBiker/IMG_5318.jpeg

I could cross “RHD” and “Diesel” off my never-owned lists.

Where would that one stay, in Moab?

The Driver

19th June 2024, 13:26

I've spent too much on the CRX and the 750iL. I regret not starting with a nicer 750iL. Mine's all dinged up. On the bright side, I don't worry about parking lot dings.

I spent way too much on the 914. Shoulda bought a nice one, drove it a while, and sold it for what I paid.

Why not take the 750 to a PDR guy? I can't stand seeing dings in my fleet!

BetweenMiatas

19th June 2024, 13:32

Why not take the 750 to a PDR guy? I can't stand seeing dings in my fleet!

I did, when I first got it. There were several he couldn't fix. Then over the years it's gotten more.

MattAlley

19th June 2024, 13:38

Where would that one stay, in Moab?

It’s a total dumbass plan, no matter what, which is why I probably won’t buy it. I can’t make it make sense.

1) If the RHD Defender lives in Moab and the Jeep and new Defender live in ATL, that probably makes sense. No change from my current car situation where I live, and the fun Defender out there. But I don’t want to buy a new (vintage) vehicle just to stick it out there living under a tarp and only visit a few weeks out of the year.

2) But if I put the Jeep in Moab and keep both Defenders here, I have now negated the reason I bought the Jeep back — I wanted a shorter vehicle for city dwelling; also considered buying another R55 MINI Clubman; I already had a D110, so adding another D110 makes no sense. Plus… I’d miss the Jeep. :(

3) technically, I could park all 3 under roof in ATL, but that would mean the bike barn (1.5-car garage where all my stuff like mowers, bikes, ladders, etc. live) would have to be surrendered to the Jeep or the vintage D110, and I’d have to add a shed of some sort for those items. I don’t like that either, and then I’m also left with 3 vehicles that cover much of the same ground, and two that are completely interchangeable (unless I’m needing to carry 7 people on my local extreme off-roading jaunts, in which case the very capable vintage D110 would be the answer to the question I so far have never asked.)

But it sure looks cool. If I did buy it, the Jeep would have to go.

BetweenMiatas

19th June 2024, 14:11

These are your rules. Change 'em. :thumbs:

MattAlley

19th June 2024, 14:33

These are your rules. Change 'em. :thumbs:

I didn’t get to be me by acting like a dumbass. :p

But all seriousness aside, it would bug me all the time to feel like I wasn’t driving one of them enough. I just wouldn’t enjoy that. It would bring negative utils into my life. I don’t like to pay for negative utils.

BeerBurner

19th June 2024, 14:56

I'm often accused of spending too much money on my cars but that comes from people whose view is cost of repair vs. the value of the car. I have always looked at it as the cost of repair vs. the cost to replace the car. Since I hold on to my cars for a really long time, they get sorted out and are in good running shape.

Last summer, I spent $5k putting a rebuilt head (and replacing all of the other engine parts that aren't in the block or the rear main seal) on a car that now has 272k miles which might be worth about half of the rebuild job. I did it without blinking because I knew the history of this car for the previous 12 years/135k miles and had a good idea of what it needed and what it didn't. Yes, I could have gone through the hassle of selling it for peanuts and buying another $5k local runabout that would likely need a few thousand dollars' worth of work but, eh, let's just keep what I know.

Plus, I love the lines of the E36 coupe. :)

BB.

MX5Jeff

19th June 2024, 15:11

I'm often accused of spending too much money on my cars but that comes from people whose view is cost of repair vs. the value of the car. I have always looked at it as the cost of repair vs. the cost to replace the car. Since I hold on to my cars for a really long time, they get sorted out and are in good running shape.

Last summer, I spent $5k putting a rebuilt head (and replacing all of the other engine parts that aren't in the block or the rear main seal) on a car that now has 272k miles which might be worth about half of the rebuild job. I did it without blinking because I knew the history of this car for the previous 12 years/135k miles and had a good idea of what it needed and what it didn't. Yes, I could have gone through the hassle of selling it for peanuts and buying another $5k local runabout that would likely need a few thousand dollars' worth of work but, eh, let's just keep what I know.

Plus, I love the lines of the E36 coupe. :)

BB.

Who did the work?

In the big scheme of things, that doesn't sound too bad, i.e., amortized over years of ownership.

Pic, please!

BeerBurner

19th June 2024, 15:32

Who did the work?

In the big scheme of things, that doesn't sound too bad, i.e., amortized over years of ownership.

Pic, please!

I normally do my own work but I farmed this out to my Porsche guy who also works on BMWs. I haven't given him any real money in over a decade (save for an alignment and tire balancing) so I wanted to keep him in my good graces.

Anyway, here's a pic from a few weeks after I got it back from him last summer.

BB.

MX5Jeff

19th June 2024, 15:59

Love it--that is like peak BMW styling IMO.

BeerBurner

19th June 2024, 16:30

Thanks! I find myself staring at it more than I expected. :)

BB.

BetweenMiatas

19th June 2024, 17:45

I didn’t get to be me by acting like a dumbass. :p

But all seriousness aside, it would bug me all the time to feel like I wasn’t driving one of them enough. I just wouldn’t enjoy that. It would bring negative utils into my life. I don’t like to pay for negative utils.

That's fair. I should be more like you. Instead, I beat the negative utils into a closet in the back of my mind, and then pretend they aren't there.

MattAlley

19th June 2024, 18:04

That's fair. I should be more like you. Instead, I beat the negative utils into a closet in the back of my mind, and then pretend they aren't there.

:rofl:

amazingjason

20th June 2024, 00:41

Love it--that is like peak BMW styling IMO.

Agreed.

Ronin38

20th June 2024, 00:48

I do not regret one bit the money and work I put in to my 2007 Dodge Charger- V6/AWD. I had a LOT of fun, learned a lot about driving and have many great memories of that car!
The Pedders Suspension I won at a Bracket Racing event. The rest I paid for...
Tuner plus e-mail tunes
Gauge package on A-Pillar mount
Front and Rear Strut Tower Bars
Custom3-pc Rear Spoiler
Exhaust and Intake modifications
Yellow Stuff brake pads and better brake fluid.
High Performance Driving School, Autocross events and Track Days at Mid Ohio and NJMP.

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